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What's This One About?

Matt and Mike dive deep into the results of the State of JavaScript 2024 survey. The discussion covers various topics such as declining happiness with JavaScript frameworks, the rise of the Astro framework, and the increasing shift towards TypeScript. Additional discussions include the use of AI for code generation and some new JavaScript features that developers are excited about. The guys also discussed the complexities and evolving nature of web development, and whether the modern JavaScript learning curve is sustainable for aspiring junior developers.

Show Notes

Introduction:

• State of JavaScript is a yearly survey that is considered fairly accurate to the sentiment and usage of the JavaScript ecosystem
• This year 14,015 people took the survey
• Some really interesting findings came out this year
  • JavaScript frameworks are almost all slightly declining in general happiness using them (especially meta frameworks)
  • The JavaScript language as a whole is declining/stagement in sentiment
  • Astro is the meta-framework to beat?
  • Everyone is crazy about nullish coalescing
  • Everyone wants static typing built into JavaScript
  • Typescript is dominant 
  • People are either not using or lying about AI

Declining happiness

• Mostly statement on js as a whole but some frameworks/libs saw a decrease in interest and happiness
• People aren't happy with code architecture, state management, dependencies, build tools
  • https://2024.stateofjs.com/en-US/usage/#top_js_pain_points 
• Meta-frameworks have some weird trends
  • https://2024.stateofjs.com/en-US/libraries/meta-frameworks/#meta_frameworks_ratios
  • Why is that? 

Astro

• Astro has the highest increase in positivity
• Highest retention score (with SvelteKit coming up second)
• Highest increase in interest
• It's used at work number jumped up over SvelteKit this year
  • https://2024.stateofjs.com/en-US/libraries/meta-frameworks/#meta_frameworks_work

JS features

• https://2024.stateofjs.com/en-US/features/#syntax_features 

TypeScript

• https://2024.stateofjs.com/en-US/usage/#js_ts_balance 

AI

• https://2024.stateofjs.com/en-US/usage/#ai_generated_code_balance
• https://2024.stateofjs.com/en-US/other-tools/#ai_tools 

State of JS 2024 Survey

• ‍https://2024.stateofjs.com/en-US/

Timestamps

Timestamps are machine generated - there may be some errors.

• 00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview
• 01:26 Diving into the JavaScript Survey
• 02:50 JavaScript Community Sentiment
• 03:45 Frameworks and Libraries: Trends and Insights
• 05:48 The Role of Creators vs. Developers
• 16:41 Meta Frameworks: Usage and Positivity
• 45:15 Astro: The Rising Star
• 46:44 Exploring Astro's Unique Approach
• 47:26 Astro's Simplicity and Flexibility
• 47:48 Astro vs. Other Frameworks
• 48:23 Astro's Future and Transitionary Nature
• 49:46 Astro's Open and Opinionated Nature
• 51:16 Astro's Server-First Architecture
• 52:16 Learning Path for New Developers
• 57:46 Complexity in Modern Web Development
• 01:04:47 JavaScript Features: Nullish Coalescing
• 01:09:21 TypeScript's Growing Dominance
• 01:12:44 AI in Code Generation
• 01:25:55 Concluding Thoughts and Survey Insights